Thanks Jimmy....

[Love and Luck]

Are you saying my kids do not know me? MY children adore me, and are not afraid to ask me about anything, be it drugs, sex, or violence. I give my children all the respect that they need, and they give me the same. I give my kids more respect then most parents give thier children, and my kids have never been in trouble with the law at all.

I feel bad for your kids...

And another thing... public school did two things for me.

1. Got me accepted to Brown University
2. Taught me how to kick your A$$!!!!!

[ph4ever]

Are you saying my kids do not know me? MY children adore me, and are not afraid to ask me about anything, be it drugs, sex, or violence. I give my children all the respect that they need, and they give me the same. I give my kids more respect then most parents give thier children, and my kids have never been in trouble with the law at all.

I feel bad for your kids...

And another thing... public school did two things for me.

1. Got me accepted to Brown University
2. Taught me how to kick your A$$!!!!!

it's too bad that education to Brown didn't help you to realize that the problem isn't public education vs private education.

IT'S THE FACT THAT THE TICKET COSTS ARE OUTRAGEOUS!!

It's so sad that y'all don't realize that it's not the extra expenses that have caused ticket prices to rise 25% - 100% for the same area (although in some cases different venue) in one year alone - IT'S THE GREED OF THE PERFORMERS.

Incidently I did talk to my friend who is a promoter last night. He is going to read this thread and send a reply for me to post when he can get the time.

[LastMango]

It's so sad that y'all don't realize that it's not the extra expenses that have caused ticket prices to rise 25% - 100% for the same area (although in some cases different venue) in one year alone - IT'S THE GREED OF THE PERFORMERS.

In many cases, the tickets were (and still are) underpriced (not referring to Wrigley Field). The prices were raised to capture more of the revenue stream. Before, a good part of the uncaptured revenue was going to sellers in the secondary market.

As for the greed aspect, we don't know what happens to the money after the performers get it. For all we know, they could be supporting charities with a significant amount of it.

[ph4ever]

It's so sad that y'all don't realize that it's not the extra expenses that have caused ticket prices to rise 25% - 100% for the same area (although in some cases different venue) in one year alone - IT'S THE GREED OF THE PERFORMERS.

In many cases, the tickets were (and still are) underpriced (not referring to Wrigley Field). The prices were raised to capture more of the revenue stream. Before, a good part of the uncaptured revenue was going to sellers in the secondary market.

As for the greed aspect, we don't know what happens to the money after the performers get it. For all we know, they could be supporting charities with a significant amount of it.

how long have you been a concert promoter??

[LastMango]

how long have you been a concert promoter??

I am not a promoter (which is irrelevent).

I am looking at the situation objectively and logically.

When shows sell out in less than 10 minutes, and thousands of average tickets are sold for 30 - 100% over face in the secondary market, concluding that the tickets were underpriced is not unreasonable.

[Love and Luck]

how long have you been a concert promoter??

I am not a promoter (which is irrelevent).

I am looking at the situation objectively and logically.

When shows sell out in less than 10 minutes, and thousands of average tickets are sold for 30 - 100% over face in the secondary market, concluding that the tickets were underpriced is not unreasonable.

Good point.

[Love and Luck]

Are you saying my kids do not know me? MY children adore me, and are not afraid to ask me about anything, be it drugs, sex, or violence. I give my children all the respect that they need, and they give me the same. I give my kids more respect then most parents give thier children, and my kids have never been in trouble with the law at all.

I feel bad for your kids...

And another thing... public school did two things for me.

1. Got me accepted to Brown University
2. Taught me how to kick your A$$!!!!!

it's too bad that education to Brown didn't help you to realize that the problem isn't public education vs private education.

IT'S THE FACT THAT THE TICKET COSTS ARE OUTRAGEOUS!!

It's so sad that y'all don't realize that it's not the extra expenses that have caused ticket prices to rise 25% - 100% for the same area (although in some cases different venue) in one year alone - IT'S THE GREED OF THE PERFORMERS.

Incidently I did talk to my friend who is a promoter last night. He is going to read this thread and send a reply for me to post when he can get the time.

See, you don't pay attention. I never said that I actually attended brown.

And, when somebody says that they don't send their children to public school because the halls are filled with child molestors, whether you think this issue is public vs. private or not, is irrelevant. I am making it the issue.

[ph4ever]

how long have you been a concert promoter??

I am not a promoter (which is irrelevent).

I am looking at the situation objectively and logically.

When shows sell out in less than 10 minutes, and thousands of average tickets are sold for 30 - 100% over face in the secondary market, concluding that the tickets were underpriced is not unreasonable.

I'm sorry knowing the ins and outs of concert promotion is VERY revelant because without this knowledge you can only assume that your line of thinking is correct where in fact it's not. I spent quite a bit of time talking to a promoter last night reagarding this very subject. Granted he's a promoter in another country but that's irrevelant as he has done shows in the U.S.

Do you consider the literally THOUSANDS of tickets that are not even made available to the public for sale because of the tickets that go to the prompters, sponsors, pre sale to the venue season ticket holders (which do not count as a part of the "on sale" date) tickets that go to the various radio stations for promotion, the tickets that go to the band? With some venues after all the sponsors, promoters etc get their hands on tickets appx 1/2 the available seating to a concert IS GONE. THAT'S why a venue will sell out in 10 minutes for a popular performer such as Buffett. Not because the tickets are underpriced. And a performer such as Buffett - knows he can sell out the venue - any venue. He dosn't have to request a guarantee on his show - he can easily request a 90/10 split of all ticket sales and service charges.

I learned all this last night because I asked and talked to someone who has been in the business for 20+ years.

[ph4ever]

Are you saying my kids do not know me? MY children adore me, and are not afraid to ask me about anything, be it drugs, sex, or violence. I give my children all the respect that they need, and they give me the same. I give my kids more respect then most parents give thier children, and my kids have never been in trouble with the law at all.

I feel bad for your kids...

And another thing... public school did two things for me.

1. Got me accepted to Brown University
2. Taught me how to kick your A$$!!!!!

it's too bad that education to Brown didn't help you to realize that the problem isn't public education vs private education.

IT'S THE FACT THAT THE TICKET COSTS ARE OUTRAGEOUS!!

It's so sad that y'all don't realize that it's not the extra expenses that have caused ticket prices to rise 25% - 100% for the same area (although in some cases different venue) in one year alone - IT'S THE GREED OF THE PERFORMERS.

Incidently I did talk to my friend who is a promoter last night. He is going to read this thread and send a reply for me to post when he can get the time.

See, you don't pay attention. I never said that I actually attended brown.

And, when somebody says that they don't send their children to public school because the halls are filled with child molestors, whether you think this issue is public vs. private or not, is irrelevant. I am making it the issue.

and people complain that I hijack a thread and cause it to go off topic

[barrettaub]

I want my 3 minutes back.

[ph4ever]

I want my 3 minutes back.

Sorry no can do.

[a1aara]

how long have you been a concert promoter??

I am not a promoter (which is irrelevent).

I am looking at the situation objectively and logically.

When shows sell out in less than 10 minutes, and thousands of average tickets are sold for 30 - 100% over face in the secondary market, concluding that the tickets were underpriced is not unreasonable.

I'm sorry knowing the ins and outs of concert promotion is VERY revelant because without this knowledge you can only assume that your line of thinking is correct where in fact it's not. I spent quite a bit of time talking to a promoter last night reagarding this very subject. Granted he's a promoter in another country but that's irrevelant as he has done shows in the U.S.

Do you consider the literally THOUSANDS of tickets that are not even made available to the public for sale because of the tickets that go to the prompters, sponsors, pre sale to the venue season ticket holders (which do not count as a part of the "on sale" date) tickets that go to the various radio stations for promotion, the tickets that go to the band? With some venues after all the sponsors, promoters etc get their hands on tickets appx 1/2 the available seating to a concert IS GONE. THAT'S why a venue will sell out in 10 minutes for a popular performer such as Buffett. Not because the tickets are underpriced. And a performer such as Buffett - knows he can sell out the venue - any venue. He dosn't have to request a guarantee on his show - he can easily request a 90/10 split of all ticket sales and service charges.

I learned all this last night because I asked and talked to someone who has been in the business for 20+ years.

Did your friend in the promotion business have anything to say about Ticketmaster or Clear Channel?

[ph4ever]

how long have you been a concert promoter??

I am not a promoter (which is irrelevent).

I am looking at the situation objectively and logically.

When shows sell out in less than 10 minutes, and thousands of average tickets are sold for 30 - 100% over face in the secondary market, concluding that the tickets were underpriced is not unreasonable.

I'm sorry knowing the ins and outs of concert promotion is VERY revelant because without this knowledge you can only assume that your line of thinking is correct where in fact it's not. I spent quite a bit of time talking to a promoter last night reagarding this very subject. Granted he's a promoter in another country but that's irrevelant as he has done shows in the U.S.

Do you consider the literally THOUSANDS of tickets that are not even made available to the public for sale because of the tickets that go to the prompters, sponsors, pre sale to the venue season ticket holders (which do not count as a part of the "on sale" date) tickets that go to the various radio stations for promotion, the tickets that go to the band? With some venues after all the sponsors, promoters etc get their hands on tickets appx 1/2 the available seating to a concert IS GONE. THAT'S why a venue will sell out in 10 minutes for a popular performer such as Buffett. Not because the tickets are underpriced. And a performer such as Buffett - knows he can sell out the venue - any venue. He dosn't have to request a guarantee on his show - he can easily request a 90/10 split of all ticket sales and service charges.

I learned all this last night because I asked and talked to someone who has been in the business for 20+ years.

Did your friend in the promotion business have anything to say about Ticketmaster or Clear Channel?

yea - they sux

[a1aara]

how long have you been a concert promoter??

I am not a promoter (which is irrelevent).

I am looking at the situation objectively and logically.

When shows sell out in less than 10 minutes, and thousands of average tickets are sold for 30 - 100% over face in the secondary market, concluding that the tickets were underpriced is not unreasonable.

I'm sorry knowing the ins and outs of concert promotion is VERY revelant because without this knowledge you can only assume that your line of thinking is correct where in fact it's not. I spent quite a bit of time talking to a promoter last night reagarding this very subject. Granted he's a promoter in another country but that's irrevelant as he has done shows in the U.S.

Do you consider the literally THOUSANDS of tickets that are not even made available to the public for sale because of the tickets that go to the prompters, sponsors, pre sale to the venue season ticket holders (which do not count as a part of the "on sale" date) tickets that go to the various radio stations for promotion, the tickets that go to the band? With some venues after all the sponsors, promoters etc get their hands on tickets appx 1/2 the available seating to a concert IS GONE. THAT'S why a venue will sell out in 10 minutes for a popular performer such as Buffett. Not because the tickets are underpriced. And a performer such as Buffett - knows he can sell out the venue - any venue. He dosn't have to request a guarantee on his show - he can easily request a 90/10 split of all ticket sales and service charges.

I learned all this last night because I asked and talked to someone who has been in the business for 20+ years.

Did your friend in the promotion business have anything to say about Ticketmaster or Clear Channel?

yea - they sux

Ha! Ha!

[photogal]

Really I wish artist would get together and do something about ticketmaster and those extra charges they tag on. WHY cant something be done about that?? There certianly are enough high profile performers that could do SOMETHING. I love how everyone left Pearl Jam high and dry a few years ago when they tried to do something about it. Yes, Jimmy COULD do SOMETHING about prices.

[LastMango]

I'm sorry knowing the ins and outs of concert promotion is VERY revelant because without this knowledge you can only assume that your line of thinking is correct where in fact it's not...
Do you consider the literally THOUSANDS of tickets that are not even made available to the public for sale because of the tickets that go to the prompters, sponsors, pre sale to the venue season ticket holders (which do not count as a part of the "on sale" date) tickets that go to the various radio stations for promotion, the tickets that go to the band? With some venues after all the sponsors, promoters etc get their hands on tickets appx 1/2 the available seating to a concert IS GONE. THAT'S why a venue will sell out in 10 minutes for a popular performer such as Buffett. Not because the tickets are underpriced. And a performer such as Buffett - knows he can sell out the venue - any venue. He dosn't have to request a guarantee on his show - he can easily request a 90/10 split of all ticket sales and service charges.

I learned all this last night because I asked and talked to someone who has been in the business for 20+ years.

The fact that not all of the tickets for a venue are available for sale to the general public is not a big secret. The problem with artists like Jimmy Buffett is that more people wish to buy tickets than their are tickets availble.

If X number of tickets are available for purchase, but 2X - 4X (depending on the number of tickets made available for sale to the public) number of people wish to purchase tickets at the given price, we can conclude the tickets were underpriced.

If the tickets were not underpriced, brokers would not buy them in bulk to resell. Brokers buy them because they believe people are willing to pay more than the face value printed on the ticket.

Some venues have long been underpriced. Great Woods and Alpine Valley are the two that come to mind. In those cases, lawn seats will sell for 2-4 times their face value. If you are going to argue that some venues are "overpriced", you must also concede that others are "underpriced".

The only show that may be overpriced this year is Wrigley. It will be interesting to see what happends when the tickets go on sale. I would not be surprised if both shows did not sell out the day of the onsale.

[A Balding Fan]

Really I wish artist would get together and do something about ticketmaster and those extra charges they tag on. WHY cant something be done about that?? There certianly are enough high profile performers that could do SOMETHING. I love how everyone left Pearl Jam high and dry a few years ago when they tried to do something about it. Yes, Jimmy COULD do SOMETHING about prices.

Garth Brooks did challenge Ticketmaster back in 1997. Told them the only way he will play is that if his tickets are 22 dollars. That was ALL SEATS. and 3 dollars of that was the service charge.

[jonesbeach10]

First of all, the public school thing.

In no way do I think that I am not getting a good education in public schools. Many of my friends who originally went to private high schools have come back, for many reasons. One major reason is that my high school offers many AP courses (college courses given in high school). You can graduate with more than 30 college credits. The local private schools have very few, if any. Furthermore, 99.9% of public school teachers are great. People tend to overestimate chances of a molester getting to their kid, just like you overestimate the chances of winning the lottery. Just because those who are in those situations are highly publicized, it doesn't mean that you have any real chance of being in the same situation (hope you all get what I'm trying to get at). As for the remarks about Challenger, I can say that I am one of the much more than 10% of students who can talk about it. Maybe children don't know so much about it is that it happened before most of them were born or too young to know what was happening. Do your kids know about the upcoming parliamentary elections in Britain and Bush might lose his buddy Tony Blair?

Let me just reiterate that I have nothing against private or home-schooled kids. Just don't think that your kids are any better than what seems to be EVERY kid who attends public school, because I guarantee(sp?) they're not.



As for the ticket prices
Unfortunately, phans have little to say about ticket prices. As long as there are enough buyers to fill the concert venue, then he has no reason to lower ticket prices because people are buying. Last time I checked, Radio Margaritaville is free and you can listen from there. I know it costs an arm and a leg, but we have little say

[jonesbeach10]

First of all, the public school thing.

In no way do I think that I am not getting a good education in public schools. Many of my friends who originally went to private high schools have come back, for many reasons. One major reason is that my high school offers many AP courses (college courses given in high school). You can graduate with more than 30 college credits. The local private schools have very few, if any. Furthermore, 99.9% of public school teachers are great. People tend to overestimate chances of a molester getting to their kid, just like you overestimate the chances of winning the lottery. Just because those who are in those situations are highly publicized, it doesn't mean that you have any real chance of being in the same situation (hope you all get what I'm trying to get at). As for the remarks about Challenger, I can say that I am one of the much more than 10% of students who can talk about it. Maybe children don't know so much about it is that it happened before most of them were born or too young to know what was happening. Do your kids know about the upcoming parliamentary elections in Britain and Bush might lose his buddy Tony Blair?

Let me just reiterate that I have nothing against private or home-schooled kids. Just don't think that your kids are any better than what seems to be EVERY kid who attends public school, because I guarantee(sp?) they're not.



As for the ticket prices
Unfortunately, phans have little to say about ticket prices. As long as there are enough buyers to fill the concert venue, then he has no reason to lower ticket prices because people are buying. Last time I checked, Radio Margaritaville is free and you can listen from there. I know it costs an arm and a leg, but we have little say

[Wndnwtr]

Hmmmmmm......I went to private school for 12 long and guilt ridden years (Catholic of course), I survived, and now I am a public school teacher. Even with all that edumycation under my belt, I still gladly fork out a crap load of money every year to see Buffett. I don't think you can compare going to a Buffett concert with sending your kids to a particular kind of school. I dont. My kids are a priority and so is seeing Buffett and spending 8 hours with 20 of my closest friends one day a year (3-4 days if I'm lucky) is worth the money. I plan for my priorities. Its not that hard really.